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Customer Feedback on Care of These Fish:
Poecilia velifera |
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Select Aquatics was begun in 2008 as a resource for fish that
were no longer being sold at shows and conventions. These were
generally available until roughly 2009. During those
years I obtained many species that were the most highly desired,
and
Select Aquatics has been shipping many
hundreds of fish out to the hobby over the last 11 years.
Much information on the care and husbandry of each of
these species is available on the species page and care guides
for each
species at this website, as well as Select Aquatics
Presents YouTube videos to assist the successful care and
breeding of each
of these fish. Of course, every fish room needs quality
texts on aquarium maintenance, particularly with many of these
more
difficult to maintain, recently collected from the wild
fish. These specialty livebearers often require slightly higher
water quality, that
is more consistent than the pet store fish we may have
experience with.
To help provide the kind of information that used to be
available over a beer in a hotel room, from someone that has
actually kept
these
fish, I have contacted every customer that bought this fish from
me over a three-year period when they were at greatest
availability.
I have asked each customer to share their thoughts
on their experience with this fish. The questionnaire was sent
to 52 customers
accounting for 416 fish. All the responses I
received, in their entirety are posted below.
This comes at a time when despite many hundreds of
these fish being shipped out to the hobby, I am being told that
they have nearly
disappeared, and selectaquatics may be the only
resource left for some of these species.
In an effort to keep these in the hobby, and encourage
others to breed and sell these fish, if you have maintained this
population of
this species - even if you did not purchase them from
me- I will be happy to post any information you wish to share on
this page with
the other submissions. Thank you!
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How They are Maintained at
Select Aquatics
At selectaquatics, the Poecilia
velifera adults are maintained in 55 and 100 gallon tanks with
daily water changes
of 15%, or the equivalent
of 100% weekly. The same effect can be achieved with 2-3 water
changes per week of
either 30% - 50%. They
can and do well with less substantial water changes, when
filtration and overall tank
cleanliness is good, but
do require water changes of at least 75% per week, as they are
somewhat intolerant
of declining water
conditions.
Due to a slowdown and
reproduction of the colony here over the past six months, the
equivalent of a half medicinal
dose of salt is now
maintained in the water, to help boost their productivity. They
are doing well, and will be taken
down from the website
until their numbers build back out. Use of salt is always
recommended for mollies, but this
line does not come from a
brackish environment, and can generally be maintained only using
salt for occasional
minor health issues.
I have found that dosing
with a half medicinal dose of salt when first being introduced
to their aquarium after
acclimation will ease
their adjustment.
Filtration is provided
with 250 canister filters, and four 4" Box filters in each 55
gallon aquarium. Live plants and
minimal substrate to
provide nitrifying bacteria area is provided. Temperature is
maintained at 76°-79°, at lower
end during winter, and
higher end during summer.
Young and grow out are
maintained in 29 gallon talls with two 4" box filters in each
tank, and a similar water change
schedule.
All velifera are fed
multiple feedings per day of the vegetable flake (3-5x), and
once per day of a 50/50 mix
containing a meat
flake. They also seem to do well on occasional frozen Mysis
shrimp, and are also fed frozen
adult Brine Shrimp 1-2x
per week. . The flakes used here for the 50/50 mix are Graze
Premium Vegetable Flake,
and Seafood Lovers Meat
flake. Both are obtained from Jehmco.com.
Though relatively large
fish, males can 5.5 inches, their spawns are smaller with rarely
more than 20-25 fry.
They will take
7-8 months to sex out, and males will begin to develop the sail
fin at this time, but it will not be at
its full size
until about 18 months. The fish will generally live into its
fourth year.
Greg Sage
Selectaquatics@gmail.com
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The Poecilia velifera Questionnaire:
The questionnaire was sent out to 52
customers the week of Oct. 7 2019, to all those that had
purchased the
velifera from
September, 2014 to April, 2018. Those customers were shipped 416
velifera, all 2-4 Month Old
Unsexed fish with
fewer than 5 losses in shipping. All of the responses that I
received are posted below, and
they were not edited in
any way.
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#1
A number of years
ago, I bought 6 unsexed juveniles from Select Aquatics. I live
near Houston, TX and these fish thrived in the water here.
The males developed a gorgeous gold coloring with
copper and turquoise highlights in the scales and tail fin. Most
fun to watch was the
mating dance when a male would try to wrap its body
around a female.
Putting their beauty aside they were also easy to care
for in the sense that their sensitivity to water conditions gave
me a quick barometer
for when there was something in the tank I needed to
address. In other words, they were as responsive to intervention
as they were
susceptible to drops in water quality.
With the exception of just a few cases which I will
explain below, any time the fish were acting abnormally--i.e.
hanging out at top or bottom
of tank and/or hiding--they quickly reverted to their
active, playful behavior with a water change.
Three times a simple water change didn't do the trick:
My water heater went out and I didn't have a backup and
I figured they'd be fine since the difference was only about 5
degrees. Well, they
got stressed and became susceptible to illness. In most
cases, illness looked like the behavior changes I listed
previously, but when it
manifested itself physically, it was always by a white
cap or patch at the top of the head. The whiteness may have been
a bacteria or may
have been missing scales--I never determined for
sure--but to was always the same. So with a quick drop in
temperature, some of the fish
developed a white cap on the top of their head.
Fortunately putting them in a hospital tank of salt water set at
84° healed them up right away.
Lesson Learned: KEEP THEIR WATER TEMERATURE STABLE
Velifera are abundantly curious fish and one day, some
how, one of them got caught in a faulty intake for a hang on
back filter in the tank.
She was there for a few hours before I discovered her
at which point she had done so much damage to herself trying to
get out (torn fins,
missing scales, skin abrasions) that even though she
hung on in a heated, salted hospital tank for about a week, she
never recovered.
Lesson Learned: LIMIT DECOR/EQUIPMENT WHERE THEY MIGHT
FIND THEMSELVES TRAPPED/SCRATCHED ETC.
I got very sick last year. So sick I was bed ridden for
a few weeks and had physical therapy for 2 months. During that
time, I could not
even walk to my tank to check on my fish, let alone
change the water. Fortunately I had a good friend who promised
to change the water
for me 2x week. Unfortunately, he made a promise he
didn't keep; I found out later that the water changes were
inconsistent, happening
only 1x/week at most . When I finally recovered, I had
lost all my velifera but a single female, and she died a week
later.
Lesson Learned: WATER CHANGES MUST BE FREQUENT AND
CONSISTENT.
Lastly, poecilia velifera are not community tank fish.
If you want your fish to breed for you, give them their own
tank.
Jay G. Houston, TX |
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#2
Did the fish do well for you?
I cannot recall how many fish I started with I would
estimate 12-ish.
Lost the only male out of that group(leaper) and bought
a small one from you with another order.
2017-2018 major struggle with the disease in the email
below but was probably around 20 fish when
I moved 9/2018. My only adult male died right after the
move. Luckily one grew from a few fry I had and
I bred him back to the adult females I had. Anyway,
they have done steadily better since the move (60 miles).
I now have two tanks of breeders. I counted today and
have approx. 30 adults and am growing out 40 or
so fry. I visited you in October 2018 and have seen
yours and yours are superior. They are still a work in
progress for me but are doing fairly well. I am hoping
they continue to progress as I turn the generations.
I have struggled mightily with my male to female ratio.
I still have only 2 adult males in inventory. Plenty of
females. Due to this I have 1 male and numerous females
in a 75 and 120 gallon tank.
I especially want to hear from you if the fish did not
do well! What would you do differently?
I wish I could do wet-dry with sterilizer and could
feed more live-type foods.
If yes, how would you recommend keeping this fish?
I believe the information provided on your website is a
good roadmap to success with this fish.
- Food and feeding frequency?
(auto feeder 4-5 times daily) supplemented with
live/frozen food 3x weekly.
- Tank Size?
I use a 75 and 120 for breeders
- Tank Setup (substrate, filtration, plants,
temperature)?
I use the green box filters with floss. I also started
doing better when I added a sponge filter cleaned often
in addition to the box filters. I believe optimal would
be a wet dry with a UV sterilizer. I have settled at 78
degrees. I have used salt only about twice in the past
year. I treated with Levamisole once in the past
year as a preventative measure. My schedule has
impaired the water change frequency in the fish room
but I would estimate 30-40% weekly. Plenty of surface
water sprite with java fern and java moss. Large
pieces of crushed coral (30% of bottom surface) for
substrate.
And lastly, would you recommend this fish to others? It
is a regal fish and I would recommend for those
that want something different and potentially
challenging.
Brian W.
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#3
I have purchased
Poecilia velifera from you last year. From 8 I have received,
None of them are alive right now.
2 of them developed shimmies right away and never
recovered, they lived 4 months but didn't grow at all. I had
to cull them. Out of rest 6, 1 became a runt and i had
to cull it. one big female died for no apparent reason.
Other one jumped out.
I was left with 3 of them at this point and i had to
move. Lost one a week after i moved probably due to new
environment. Lost many swordtails as well, trying to get them
back by breeding.
I don't raise them in a separate tank. I have community
tanks where i am working on Angelfish, Red swordtails
and Mollies.
I am planning purchase next time when they are
available and try to maintain the line. i have raised few molly
fish
colonies before with my own projects. I feel like these
fish are very slow growers. It took them almost a year to
show their sex. That's my update from the last
purchase. I hope this information helps you.
Sohan C.
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#4
Hi Greg,
I certainly don't mind giving you feedback on these
fish!
Did the fish do well for you? -
Yes - they did extremely well!
If yes, how would you recommend keeping this fish? -
I kept them in bare 20 gallon high tanks, with no
gravel and a sponge filter in each. I wondered if 20 gallons was
enough
for the adult fish, but they never seemed to mind. Each
tank also had a heater. I should mention here that I did large
water
changes (50 percentish) almost daily, using local water
straight from the tap. The tanks were kept at 80 degrees F, but
the tap water I did not preheat. I just put it in cold.
The fish almost seemed to like it. When the parent fish had
young,
I pulled the parents out and put them into another
matured tank. As soon as the young could be sexed, I separated
the males from the females. As I recall, females
outnumbered males by quite a large margin, although sometimes
it took quite a while for the males to become evident.
- Food and feeding frequency? - A variety of high
quality flake food was the staple, supplemented by frozen brine
shrimp. At first I occasionally gave them live brine
shrimp, but ultimately thought it unnecessary. For the young,
I'm
sure that newly hatched brine shrimp would have had
them grow faster, but again, not necessary. I fed them twice a
day. Algae was always present for grazing.
- Tank Size? - 20 high aquariums are what I would
recommend, as described above. I did put 2 adult males and a
few females into a well planted 50 gallon breeder tank,
but that tank was soon overwhelmed by mollies!
- Tank Setup (substrate, filtration, plants,
temperature)?
- As described above. The 50 breeder tank was fully
decked out with live plants, black gravel, driftwood, a couple
of powerheads and a heater. I didn't use any mechanical
filters, but I used a gravel washer when I did water
changes in that tank, and also used a cup to skim
organic slime off the surface of the water when doing the water
changes. I tried to change 5 gallons a day in that
tank, but in reality I probably only did it 5 days a week. 80
degrees
was the temperature.
And lastly, would you recommend this fish to others? -
My interest was in keeping the largest of the wild type
mollies. Also, I was attracted by the fact that I could never
see these fish at the pet shops near me, and I couldn't
understand why. If you have these interests, then yes, by all
means give these fish a go! I tried to keep them in
very high quality water, and I found them to be very prolific.
I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who who is
unwilling to do regular aquarium maintenance. I'm of the
opinion that water changes are the single most
important type of filtration at our disposal.
I should mention that I gave these fish away because I
have injured shoulders, and the maintenance of so
many aquariums simply became too much for me. I'd say
that the largest adult fishes that I had were about
4 inches long. It is possible that these fish, though
adult, weren't yet fully grown. I've heard that they can get
to be about 6 inches long. If that is the case, larger
aquariums than 20 gallons might be required.
I hope that helps, Greg!
Have a great weekend!
Regards,
Dave C.
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#5
They all died due
to my lack of commitment !
I will try setup another tank which will be big!
Hopefully 100g minimum! I will then order a new batch from you!
Juan M.
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#6
My Yucatan
Sailfin Mollies are doing great! I sold about 30 fry which I am
not regretting due to how rare
this fish is. I am trying to rebuild a good colony from
the original 6 I had and their fry.
My water is hard, but not extreme. Ph is about 7.6 and
they seem to do great with my water. I do change
50% water weekly to keep them healthy. If there are any
issues, a little salt for these fish seems to fix
any problems that happen from infection or sickness.
All and all a great, large and rare molly that
continues to impress me every time I see the big males
displaying! Thanks, Greg!
Matthew C.
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#7
Hello Greg hope all is
well. My fry production has finally begun. I’ve netted 68 fry in the
past 4 days, with many
more in the tank. The Adults are not eating the fry.
1. Tank size = 125 gal 72 x 18 x 23
2. Feeding
Flake = earthworm, vegetable and spriulina
Pellets = Hikari marine seaweed (67% seaweed), Fluval
tropical bug bites and Omega One small sinking
marine pellets with garlic.
Frozen = Mysis shrimp, reef plankton, brine shrimp,
fish eggs and blood worms.
Omega One sinking veggie rounds are made for Plecos,
however my P. Velifera receive these in the
morning prior to me going to work.
3. The water is hard in here, I only treat with Prime.
I have never tested the water.
4. tank temperature is 80-81 degrees. I have thee
fluval submersible 300 watt heaters in the tank to
maintain the heat temperature.
5. Fry are born in the tank and then moved to a 40
gallon breeder for growing out.
6. I don’t how many fry per spawn.
7. Substrate = thin layer of brown gravel mixed with
crushed coral.
Aeration = 6 air stones
Filters = 3 emperor 400 filters with bio wheels One
sponge filter rated for 80 gallons
(1200 gallons cycling per hour).
Water change is 1/4 of tank water. Which is completed
every 7-10 days.
I also add pimafix, melafix and plain salt after water
changes.
As a preventive I treat my tank every 4 months with
Jungle fungus fizz tablets, melafix
and salt.
Mavian N.
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#8
Did
the fish do well for you?
The fish I received grew up well for sure.
I especially want to hear from you if the fish did not
do well! What would you do differently?
I believe They would have done even better if I had
more minerals in my water and fed more often.
If yes, how would you recommend keeping this fish?
I recommend a 75 gallon aquarium with an auto feeder to
fill in feedings between human feedings.
- Food and feeding frequency?
I was feeding 1 to 2 times a day, and missing feedings
when traveling for the weekend.
- Tank Size?
40 Gallons
- Tank Setup (substrate, filtration, plants,
temperature)?
Coarse sand, sponge filter, lots of moss. Temp was
74-75 as I heat the room.
And lastly, would you recommend this fish to others?
I would absolutely. I only wish I had an auto feeder
and a bit higher temp with more minerals
to create the monster sized mollies I've seen first
hand in Greg's Fish Room. I believe my
"I still need to do that" attitude is what failed me. I
eventually sold them in my retail store as
I moved on after not having success of monster sized
mollies due to my own fault.
Cory M.
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#9
We first met at a
Killfish gathering in Phoenix, AZ. I just saw your post concerning the
Giant Salfin Molly.
I purchased a dozen from you in September, 2016. I have
successfully bred them but only in very limited
quantities. I am on my third generation and have about
16 fry that are about a month old.
I feed them frozen brine shrimp in the morning and then
throughout the day I feed a vegetable based flake
food. They readily take the shrimp and flake food. I
have had success in both a 40 gal tank and a 65 gallon
tank; however, I am often unsuccessful . I usually try
to keep one male with two females.
Early on I did not realize that a number of the males
did not develop until I separated them from each other.
What I thought was a female turned out to be a male. I
plan to continue to breed them.
My fish room is relatively small but I do have enough
tank capacity to raise more if I had greater success at
breeding them. I am certainly open to any suggestions
you may have. I have tried to following your advice
posted on your website.
Mitch M. |
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Hi there,
The fish did well for me. A little too well! I only
have one 55 gallon show tank and ended up having way
too many fish in the tank with no outlet for the fry. I
think that's the biggest concern since they are large,
heavy bodied fish. They are truly beautiful fish though
and was glad to be able to purchase them from you!
I've changed my setup and only keep sterbai cories and
cardinal tetras in a heavily planted tank.
Steve E. |
#11
I have had a chance to watch the all the videos
with your Velifera many times, I thoroughly enjoy them.
I am glad to hear that the Velifera are more skittish
than most of the fish you have, I was becoming
worried about their behavior. I have a feeling that an
increase in number could help them feel less skittish.
With regards to my tank, that is crushed coral at the
bottom. I keep my tank at 78-79° although during the
winter months it does drop a bit (around 76-77°). As
for water changes, I usually change 25-50% of the
water weekly. Despite their heavy feedings, I do not
experience high nitrate levels as there are only 6 in a
150-gallon tank. I also have quite a bit of filtration
on the tank with a Fluval FX6. My Velifera are fed Brine
shrimp and occasionally blood worms for protein.
I'm glad to hear my male's breeding behavior is a sign
of good health. Unfortunately, I believe my Velifera
have been eating their fry as my largest female has
become gravid and noticeably lost weight multiple times.
I believe this is a direct result of the clumped
feedings in the afternoon after I return from school. Hopefully,
the automatic feeder can correct this issue.
As for any information that results in the Velifera
doing well, I can certainly say high levels of surface agitation
and oxygen are vital. Earlier on when I first received
my Velifera from Karl, I would fill the tank to the very top
and there would be only a bit of surface agitation. I
quickly noticed that the Velifera would gulp air and move
slowly throughout the aquarium. As a result, I lowered
the water level so that the output from the FX6 would
create a significant amount of surface agitation. When
there is less surface agitation, I notice my male does
not display as frequently. The Velifera have also
greatly appreciated the crushed coral that I've added to the
tank. Apart from that, there is not much that I can
add, your videos and website are very helpful and descriptive.
Suresh B. |
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